“Christian Libertarianism” Excerpt #3: On Human Reason and Grasping Divinity and Spirit [1/2]   2 comments

In this excerpt of a paper I wrote earlier in 2011 I want to speak to you today concerning Humanity’s ability to grasp God with Human Reason. At the time of me writing this I had come to believe that Human Reason cannot grasp God alone and especially in our unregenerate state is this all the more impossible. At the time I wrote this however, I saw things in a very dualistic focus however, I saw Western Christianity [largely Catholicism and Protestantism] as religious traditions with largely a “rational theology” and lacking anything mystical about it, while the Eastern Church was the home of the Mystical Theology of True Christianity. This has changed as of late due to my reconciliation with the Catholic Church and desire to know more about it. Today I would not say that the Catholic Church is all watered down rational dogma but through the Catholic Church, Reason is uplifted and transformed so that it may freely admit its limits but help us understand [to the extent we can] the One True Living God. As with all previous excerpts and all future excerpts, the excerpts are in block quotations while the present commentary is of today.

“As we start using the words such as ‘reasoned thought’ and ‘direct intuitional’ experiences we arrive to the Third Change that I believe ought to take place: We Must Return Religion and Spirituality Back to Its Original Form and Purpose. I refer back now largely to Jungian Psychology in order to better convey the message of this change, here I want to talk about the inability of human reason to grasp God, the history of what made us turn to reason in order to make attempts at describing God, and finally a Jungian Interpretation of the Scientific realm and the Spiritual Realm.”

It is still my belief that as Christians we are called to seek wisdom anywhere and we are not limited in this search but can use anything at our disposal in order to explain the Faith better. In this instance I have decided to use Jungian Psychological Typology as a means to explain what I believe to be the heart of conflict and strife between Non-Believers, True Believers, and False Believers. By True Believers I mean those who follow the Right Path to God and in effect by False Believers I mean those led astray from the True Path. Nearly everyone I have spoken and that I have had experiences with on this journey starts out as False Believers or Non-Believers.

“So far we have seen how limited human reason cannot possibly debate over the ‘existence of God’ or show comprehension of God, because Human Reason is based on deconstruction, labeling, and functioning in the world according to perceived patterns and systems but it is utterly unable to grasp that which transcends the world: You cannot deduce God, the same way you cannot deduce a paradox, God is infinitely simplistic and yet infinitely complex, something that is already simple cannot be deduced any further and yet something that is infinitely complex will never be deduced, like strings all tied up in a messy bundle, it is impossible to be untied. You cannot Label God; God surpasses all forms of human categories and language, in our poverty even the most inspiring words fail to do justice in describing the Glory of God. You cannot Control God by manipulating any “patterns” or “systems” to get God to serve you, this is probably the greatest hubris of human reason in relation to God and why we are fallen and suffering with each other, this desire for control in our hyper-rational western society is something that Christian Libertarianism could seek to undo. But it becomes apparent to us why Human Reason, and humans who base their lives around the “-ism” of Rationalism, seem in conflict with God. Forgetting the Theological Arguments for a moment (e.g. Theodicy); these features of a fallen human reasoning mind and the qualities of God are in conflict with one another. Now let me be clear, without human reasoning we could not function either, reason is good as it was given to us by God, it is because of the reasoning power within my being that I seek to have peace and only because of the reasoning power that I am able to write and organize this paper. However I will expand on this later on in this section.”

The paper I wrote as I said in other places was designed to broker a peace between Christianity and Libertarian thought. At the heart of Libertarianism is the belief in Human Reason, and in effect the belief in Individual Autonomy, and in effect Individual Rights. Christianity at the other hand does not say that man has rights because he has a rational soul per se, but that he has been given a special dignity by God in comparison with the rest of the created order on this planet, it is through this special dignity that we are given a rational soul. Therefore, man has Inalienable Rights because of the special dignity placed unto him. Also a Christian knows all to well, that the illusion of Individual Autonomy is a lie, I have written on this blog elsewhere that we are all interconnected and interdependent and that we are at the mercy of everything else, which is at the mercy of God. The Christian will not claim that he is complete unto Himself, but that he is only complete through the one who created Him, in this fact he finds His Autonomy and Liberty.

Also I said that, “You cannot Control God by manipulating any ‘patterns’ or ‘systems’ to get God to serve you” by this I mean, God is not some impersonal force whom which I tap into whenever I want God is more then this, you can’t say you own Him or that you encompass Him, let alone that you are Him. The only formula, the only key is through Christ and His Teaching. God to the Christian is something personal and living, in the 3rd Part of my Reconciliation with the Inorganic Science and Christianity I made this quite well known, that God is called Living exactly because He is not some Impersonal Force, but a Dynamic Transcendental Reality that possess traits that we can associate with being made in His Image and Likeness.

“The Second point in Church History originates throughout Western Europe within predominantly Protestant Denominations, during the Age of Enlightenment. The Age of Enlightenment or the Age of Reason occurred during the mid-17th Century to around the very early 19th Century. At this time Reason and Empiricism was popularized, it became expedient for the Church to adapt the use of Reason and Empirical Thought as the main way to know God and to turn its back on the original nature of Religion and Spirituality. God and his actions now needed to have a constant historical context and constant material existence in the eyes of men (at this time) in order for him to even be considered relevant, because mystical and allegorical interpretations were looked down upon in favor of intellectual and ‘rational interpretations’ of the Bible. At times one of the downfalls to being rational-based in your thoughts is that you become very linear and literal minded. Of course, in keeping with what I said earlier about the Christian of the Future, it becomes apparent then that God will no longer need to have a constant ‘historical/material context’ because the Christian of the Future will know that when we think of Christ they will know, “not look at Jesus Christ as only being a man who was born, lived, died, and was resurrected some 2,000+ years ago. Rather, we look at Christ as the essence of all things. All truth, all goodness, all virtue lived in this world is Christ’s presence. Christ’s life as a man, when ‘the Word became flesh’.”

You maybe wondering why I do not have a “First Point in Church History” that originates the merger with Rationalism and Mystical Theology. I do not have it because of my re-examination of the Catholic Church, in particular as it related to Scholasticism and St. Thomas Aquinas. Again I said at the start of this post today that when I wrote this I saw things as a duality between East and West; Mystical Theology and Rational Theology. But now that I am re-examining the West and because I have made a blog designed to reconcile where reconciliation must be made rather then divide where there ought not be any division, I excluded the First Point in Church History and will reexamine the issue at a later time. One of the reasons that I felt compelled to do so was largely because of watching some of the videos from Father Barron’s WordOnFire YouTube Channel, two particular videos can be viewed here:

However, the Second Point in Church History that brings an even closer blending between Reason and Theology on one hand and a progressive widening gulf between Mysticism and Theology on the other hand remains largely unchanged. Let it be known however, that when I say Church, I do not mean any one specific and particular church, but any and all Churches that claims itself as a congregation in Christ.

“It is an irony that Christian Fundamentalism as we know it today had its birth during the birth of Reason as well in the West, Christian Fundamentalism is the Fraternal Twin of Reason, and there is a bitter sibling rivalry between them, but after all this time, people have watched and observed and some of us who have grown up are asking, ‘when will you both grow up, stop fighting and get along?’ Some of us are stubborn, some of us agree regardless of which ‘fraternal twin’ you identify with. Christian Churches, again predominantly Protestant Churches by virtue of The Five Sola’s, have forsaken the Traditional and Ancient Interpretations for their own. However, as we see in human psychology when we feel threatened or when we want something we use whatever justification we can in order to get it [or get rid of it], by the thoughts present in Sola Scriptura, the Protestant Reformations, and The Age of Reason it was possible now for people to Rationalize, become Linear and Literal minded in relation to God and Spiritual Issues which cannot be grasped by a fallen Human Reasoning Mind.”

Notice I say very bluntly, “some of us who have grown up are asking…” To this day, I still hold on to this statement, because I believe that Christian Fundamentalism, in fact Fundamentalism of all stripes is a childish and immature stage of cognitive formation, and unless one grows out of it one will be stuck in a psycho-spiritual infantilism for the rest of their lives, I will be writing about Infantilism in the future. I still maintain the belief that the 5 Sola’s are flawed theology, and I think that there is another great video by Father Barron again, that demonstrates the lack of sound theology which stems from the various Protestant and Protestant-like faiths which exist which can be viewed here:

Rationalizing cannot be denied, if we do not like something and want to have things conform to our own will, we rationalize, we pick the parts that sound nice and deny the parts that sound bad, we give excuses for why we did things that we have done, we never want to feel like we were wrong or we did something vainly. Rationalizing and constant open-ended scriptural interpretation is a very dangerous mix, psychologically speaking, its an attempt at blending the Divine Will with Egotism, and this is dangerous indeed, because under the false image of doing God’s Will we can project all the threats of our Ego’s and do great damage to ourselves and others around us.

“The final point in Church History originates here in America and Western Europe within a variety of Non-Traditional Churches, during this age of Secularism, Consumerism, and Globalism. This age is still happening, so I cannot ‘look back on it’ in the same manner that I could look back on the previous two instances. I will say briefly what I have mentioned before, Secularism has managed to put God out of our lives and should we have a Spiritual Experience with God this age has trained us to think of it as a rare or ‘extra-ordinary’ experience, because of Secularism God is no longer allowed to be in our ‘ordinary’ lives, where we have most of our experiences anyway, this causes detachment. With the popular obsession of Consumerism, we have been trained to become increasingly focused on the created world rather than the creator who created the things we are obsessing over. All the noise in our environment, in our lives and in our minds of ‘needing this’ or ‘needing that’ of catching up with the Joneses and having the latest in everything has again caused further distraction and detachment from God. Finally with Globalism, we reached a point where pluralism and tolerance must occur, where extreme views in living must be moderated and directed in on oneself without forcing it on others. Globalism in one respect is a good thing despite many of the sufferings that have been spawned from it.”

I am in general agreement still to this day about what I wrote earlier this year concerning these ideologies. But to add a commentary to this, many people feel that God does not exist because, we cant see him. Now aside from treating God like some other object in creation, the reasons we can’t see Him are pretty clear, it is not that God refuses to show Himself to us, its that we have through our individual and collective actions tuned him out through our various ideologies. Christ speaks in the Beatitudes that those who are Pure in Heart will See God, have we asked ourselves both individually and collectively, whether or not our ideologies have dirtied or corrupted Our Hearts and thus denied Ourselves the vision of Him in our lives? Many of us, have been conditioned to think that we are so sure of ourselves, we speak of Progress and other positive things to describe where we are going, but there seems to be more suffering in this world through our man-made ideologies then anything else.

“However with respect to Secularism and Consumerism, these ‘-isms’ have seemingly managed to pull us away from God despite the good intentions that both of these ideas were designed to do: Secularism originally meant Separation from Church and State and as a Christian Libertarian I support this, however it has become twisted in the popular notions to mean, ‘anti-religion’ instead of ‘no comment’ so we see these (still present) fundamentalist become defensive, making their claims that ‘We Are Losing America!’ But what they are really seeing is that we are losing the enforced socially conservative edge of what America was. When it comes to Consumerism, it was designed to give people the ability to get whatever they need and want in an affordable and accessible manner. Yet today it has been perverted into, instant self-gratification, the virtues of self-control and frugality are lost to us. With the rise of reckless instant self-gratification come other forms of pleasure seeking and the rise of hedonistic living, which has us become obsessive over our appearances and other trivialities, again serving to disconnect us from God even to the degree of despising him because he would put ‘a damper on all the fun.’ We see fundamentalists as becoming increasingly hostile, seeking to use even the force of the State to stamp out such pleasure-seeking ways of living and to a degree they could seem justified, but they are still immoral, because as the saying goes, ‘two wrongs do not make a right.’ Using force to end a lifestyle choice that you see as bad, does not make you justified for your actions, but I will go into this much later.”

Again, my opinion generally speaking has not changed drastically from what I have written here. However, from what I had implied from that excerpt I wish to make explicitly known in the commentary, ideas and all the various ‘-isms’ out there all have a degree of Truth to them and this is what makes them rather attractive and allows them to live from generation to generation, however, ideologies can become perverted, what was once designed to serve us we now become a slave to serving. Whereas Secularism possesses a degree of rightness, that no one particular religious group should enforce its will on the people lest that group become corrupted by power and in that corruption pollutes its image, Secularism though has been distorted into anti-religious sentiments and an excuse to persecute believers. Whereas Consumerism possesses a degree of rightness, that people ought to have affordable access to needs and wants that they may enjoy life, it has been distorted into the only way of life and the only way of living and being happy, it has completely changed the entirety of political, social, and economic life in the West. I actually have a video that talks about the Psychological Ramifications on the Human Being of the previous century as it relates to Consumerism and Freudian Pychology which can be viewed here:


Posted September 4, 2011 by jimbo9889 in The Objectives

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